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Conversation: Remembering John Wilkes

Juan Korkie, Clinical Psychologist

One of the most exceptional human beings I have ever met is John Wilkes. Not a therapist, but someone who spent his life studying water.

I met him years ago, not long before he died. In his own words, he dedicated his life to uplifting water.

The water we drink, the water that comes out of our taps, by the time it reaches us, has been pushed through pipes under pressure, filtered, treated, and standardised. It gets from A to B efficiently, but something is lost in the process. The movement becomes straight and uniform. Flat. Stripped of variation, stripped of rhythm.

He spent years studying how water behaves in nature and then translated that into a physical form called a flowform. A sequence of basins shaped in such a way that water is guided into a repeating, oscillating movement. But the structure itself is not the point. What matters is what happens to the water once it enters that structure and is allowed to move through it over time.

The water does not just pass through. It begins to move differently. It slows, gathers, shifts direction, and returns. It pulses. It swings from side to side. It forms vortices and then releases them. There is a continuous process of movement, dissolution, and re-formation. The water is not forced forward. It is held in a pattern that allows it to circulate.

That rhythm is the point.

At a physical level, this changes the quality of the water. It increases aeration, mixing, and contact with air. Oxygenation improves. Stagnation reduces. The conditions that allow toxicity to build are disrupted, not by force, but by movement that remains active and contained at the same time.

And this is exactly what happens in conversation.

In many relationships, conversation loses this kind of movement. It becomes linear, reactive, and pressurised. One statement leads directly to another. There is no return, no pause, no space for something to settle. Accusation triggers defence. Defence triggers escalation. Each response follows from the previous one, and the sequence runs forward without interruption.

Over time, the interaction settles into these exchanges. The same moves appear in the same order. The conversation becomes predictable because it has become fixed.

The movement changes. It either stalls and becomes stagnant, where nothing new enters, or it accelerates too quickly, where everything escalates before anything can land. In both cases, the conversation loses its capacity to generate anything different. It becomes flat, transactional at best, and controlling or destructive at worst.

What is missing is rhythm.

Not calmness, not politeness, but rhythm. The capacity for the conversation to move, to return, to be held long enough for something to take shape, and then to move again.

This is where restructuring becomes necessary.

The work is not only about what is said, but about the movement of the conversation itself. It is about intervening in the sequence as it unfolds. Interrupting it when it runs forward too quickly. Slowing it down when it begins to escalate. Holding it in a form that allows each part of the exchange to complete before the next begins.

One person speaks. The other listens. The response comes back, not as a reaction, but as something that has registered. The exchange loops rather than runs. It returns to the same point from a slightly different position. It is held long enough for something to land, rather than being immediately replaced by the next move.

This changes the experience of the interaction.

The conversation is no longer driven purely by reaction. It begins to carry something. It becomes possible to stay with what is being said without immediately moving to correct, defend, or override it. The structure does not remove difficulty, but it prevents collapse.

Over time, that changes the rhythm of the interaction.

This is what I think of as clean conversation. Not polite, not easy, and not free of tension. It is structured in a way that removes the elements that immediately trigger defence and shut the exchange down. The focus shifts away from controlling the outcome and towards sustaining the process.

When that happens, something else becomes possible.

Repair becomes possible, not as an idea, but as an actual process that can take place in the interaction. A conversation that can return to what happened without re-enacting it. A conversation that can hold difference without forcing convergence. A conversation that allows each person’s experience to exist without needing to replace the other.

It also becomes possible to remain in contact under pressure. Not perfectly, and not all the time, but enough for the interaction to continue without collapsing into reaction or withdrawal.

This is why, for me, couple therapy is about restructuring conversation at this level.

Not just changing what is said, but changing the conditions under which conversation happens. Changing the movement, the pacing, the sequencing, and the way the interaction holds what emerges within it.

When that shifts, the interaction can carry more. It can hold tension without escalating immediately. It can hold difference without collapsing into competition. It can hold something of the other person’s experience without needing to correct it.

And from that, something else begins to return.

Warmth. Contact. The sense that there is still something happening between two people that is not driven by defence or control.

Over time, that changes the relationship itself.

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